Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia

llelnino · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: About Ashok Gupta

Ashok Gupta is nothing more than a entrepeneur trying to make money. Do some research on him this guy is running a Corporate Training Company and a Stress Management Clinic as well as a Speed Dating Service. What a joke this guy is. Or wait a minute is the joke really on all of us.

kenvj · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject:

You make me want to vomit!!!

Chronicfatiguetreatments · Site Admin

i was pretty skeptical about the program, and waited to hear responses from patients before i put up this section of the forum. Alot of people say that it helps them.
Overactive stress response is definately a big factor in cfs.

Is this what you looked at?
http://inspiredtocreate.gaia.com/

All i care is that he really had cfs and recovered from it. I dont have a problem with him being an entrepreneur. As long as his product help people

llelnino · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: Ken

[quote="kenvj"]You make me want to vomit!!![/quote]

Theres no need for the insults I thought that people interested in his program would like to know what this guy is up to. Several people on other boards informed me on this so I started doing research on him and the facts speak for themselves. If you don't believe me look it up yourself.

llelnino · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Yes

[quote="Chronicfatiguetreatments"]i was pretty skeptical about the program, and waited to hear responses from patients before i put up this section of the forum. Alot of people say that it helps them.
Overactive stress response is definately a big factor in cfs.

Is this what you looked at?
http://inspiredtocreate.gaia.com/

All i care is that he really had cfs and recovered from it. I dont have a problem with him being an entrepreneur. As long as his product help people[/quote]

Yes that is what I found along with several articles. I have no problem if someone believes in his program I just felt that people should know what other things that he is involved in so that people who have bought or are thinking of buying his program could judge for themselves. I'm just curious how do you know that he really had CFS? What about newer video updates on his "Recovered" patients? Maybe if he could invite some of his patients to come to this site and update us.

cfs_since_1998 · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Yes

[quote="llelnino"]I'm just curious how do you know that he really had CFS? What about newer video updates on his "Recovered" patients? Maybe if he could invite some of his patients to come to this site and update us.[/quote]

I don't think he had CFS either. Seems like a fraud to me. All he ever says is, "I had CFS about ten years ago." Does that mean he got it 10 years ago, or he recovered 10 years ago? It doesn't even make sense. And he never describes his experience with it.

efly · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: Bashing Ashok

Instead of bashing Ashok.... why not do your own research on the Amygdala the limbic system, the Sympathetic Nervous system and the immune system. It is based on science.... parts of the brain that they are only researching now. Then you can make your own judgement on the programme. He is offering money back after 6 months..... not many people do that. ! efly

Chronicfatiguetreatments · Site Admin

Ashok reads this forum sometimes maybe he'll chime in.

Ive never personally used the system, but i can see how stress reduction might help CFS.

In martin palls paper
http://molecular.biosciences.wsu.edu/Faculty/old%20files/pall/pall_cfs.htm

he says that phychological stress can trigger nitric oxide and No/ONOO cycle disease

"Indeed the genetic evidence implicating corticosteroid-binding globulin gene (10,11) and the serotonin transporter gene (12) in determining susceptibility to CFS also provides support for a nitric oxide role in CFS initiation because both of these genes can act to determine cortisol function and cortisol is known to lower the induction of the inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS) and therefore partially determine levels of nitric oxide ( Cool

."

This makes me think that meditation and techniques to control stress would help. Although ive never used it.

kenvj · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Ken

[quote="llelnino"][quote="kenvj"]You make me want to vomit!!![/quote]

Theres no need for the insults I thought that people interested in his program would like to know what this guy is up to. Several people on other boards informed me on this so I started doing research on him and the facts speak for themselves. If you don't believe me look it up yourself.[/quote]

llelnino - so its OK for you to pass out insults but not for me! What about your reference to Ashok as "What a joke this guy is" just because you read a very reasonable bio of Ashok.
http://inspiredtocreate.gaia.com/
A bit one sided my friend!

TheLegend · Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject:

Because I always do plenty of research I was perfectly aware of Ashok's business interests. Personally I don't see any issues or conflicts of interest. He has at no point ever claimed to be Doctor, Professor or to hold any medical qualification. I mean his degree from Cambridge is in Economics.

Furthermore it's not like he's offering additonal weird psychic services channeling the dead or healing! *Cough. . .Phil Parker*

I may have missed something here but because he's created a CFS recovery programme is he then not allowed to run multiple (other) businesses if he should so wish?

The question of its efficacy is a different matter. As the programme has yet to undergo clinical trials everything said is purely anecdotal. The original basis, i.e. the written paper as published in 'Medical Hypothesis' is a theory and as yet clinically unproven. As stated by the publisher:

"The purpose of Medical Hypotheses is to publish interesting theoretical papers. The journal will consider radical, speculative and non-mainstream scientific ideas provided they are coherently expressed"

However if people are finding genuine benefits whether it be partial or a full recovery and are, importantly, happy then what's the big deal?

The science about amgydala and the limbic system is out there in print for all to discover. You can get LeDoux's book "The Emotional Brain" from Amazon if you so wish.

Ashok is effectively charging for the package the cost of one session with a CFS consultant, a reverse/mickel therapist etc etc. And one sixth of the Lightning Process. If it's not for an individual then at least they have the option of sending it back. I'd like to see someone try and do that with LP!

So anyway I wouldn't be so quick to judge Ashok. He may have an/the answer, he may not. It's all about putting your own recovery programme into effect of which you could include this. Investigate it and make your own decision.

Chronicfatiguetreatments · Site Admin

[quote="TheLegend"]
However if people are finding genuine benefits whether it be partial or a full recovery and are, importantly, happy then what's the big deal?
[/quote]

Thats pretty much what i think too. Ive gotten some bad advice from some people that were supposed to be really good doctors.

Now i just listen to what my body tells me. Ive found about 6-7 supplements that help me. Some Dr's ive been to have told me that dont need to take them. But if i don't, i feel 10x worse.

Also they really make sense when you look at martin palls theory. They all affect nitric oxide and the methylation cycle.
When i found them i had no idea what they did i just knew they helped.
But now the more i read about what they do in the body, the more it makes sense.

If you have cfs you are basically on your own. You cant just go to a local dr and get good treatment. you have to try alot of things and see what works and what doesnt.

EmeraldDreams · Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: About Ashok Gupta

How on earth does the fact that Ashok has other business interests effect what he does at his Clinic ???? Are you questioning his honesty and integrity and validity because he has outside business interests??? I find this attitude absolutely mind blowing! Who cares what business opportunities he is involved in, god I wouldn't care if he was a pimp on weekends and had a criminal record - if he can offer me something that might even make a small amount of difference to my condition and my life, then god bless him and it would be worth every cent!

I have had CFS for 20 years now and have had it severely for 10 years - I have tried everything under the sun and nothing has made any difference to my condition or been of any benefit - and not one of the practitioners I have seen has offered a Money Back Guarantee on their treatments and services!! This surely says something about the man's validity and integrity!!

I have just received the AR Programme and am so excited about starting it - and from what I have seen and read so far, Ashok is absolutely authentic about what he is offering; as someone else posted above, his theory is totally based on science and extensive research and makes complete sense - and let me ask you this, why would someone who has a degree in economics completely change career course and spend years researching and training in and then practising in health related areas if he hadn't gone through some sort of life altering health crisis or experience - Ashok had CFS I have no doubt, who cares when he got it, how many years he had it for, how severe it was - is of no importance, wouldn't make any difference if he never had it! and as far as promising complete recovery - that makes no difference to me either, but I believe - if you are truly unwell and have lost your life and are desperate to live again, then any amount of improvement is amazing and fantastic - and with any treatment program you must of course go into it believing in a full recovery anyway, otherwise whats the point - as Ashok promises, if you are not happy with your amount of progress or have made no progress after 6 months, return the program and he will totally refund your money!!!!

Absolutely nothing to lose, why would anyone even question or doubt with this offer - with the situation I am in, I would try anything, and I mean anything! So to have come across this treatment program has been an absolute blessing and I hold great hope of regaining my life! So thanks and gratitude to Ashok and we'll see what transpires over the next 6 months.

JR · Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: About Ashok Gupta

I find this somewhat baffling. What's wrong with being an entrepreneur and making money if you're offering a service that people want and benefit from? Most CFS doctors I know charge a boatload for their services, helpful or not. The Gupta Program is phenomenally inexpensive, for all of the information and training that you receive. Ashok is clearly a very gifted and intelligent person. It doesn't surprise me at all that he has multiple interests and streams of income. And, as to whether or not he really has had CFS...if he hasn't, he certainly has an uncanny grasp of all of the nuances of this condition. Not to mention concrete solutions that work.

I find it disturbing that there are people who seem so invested in this NOT being a true solution for people. Trying to persuade people who have actually found significant benefit that they should think twice is not in the least helpful or compassionate.

[quote="llelnino"]Ashok Gupta is nothing more than a entrepeneur trying to make money. Do some research on him this guy is running a Corporate Training Company and a Stress Management Clinic as well as a Speed Dating Service. What a joke this guy is. Or wait a minute is the joke really on all of us.[/quote]

EmeraldDreams · Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: About Ashok Gupta

Well said JR - I guess negative people just like to spread negativity to everyone else!

Not everyone is open minded, empathetic and compassionate.

efly · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: emerald jr

Well said... emerald and jr...
Its amazing how you have to persuade people to get better ???....
Good luck with it... stick with-it.... ITS amazing... I cant believe my transformation.... bedridden for the last 10 months... and mostly for the last 5 years.... now walking around the block, up all day , sleep !!!!!with NO meds........ Thankyou to Ashok , his diligence in finding a solution and putting in the research. The package is very professional and well put together..... a lot of stuff in there...a way out of the HELL..
efly

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