XMRV and CFS = the end?

[crmfghtr]

I am totally convinced my cause is viral. I had a perfect life, career, no illness trouble till I got a virus, literally overnight things changed. As I have stated before I can do biofeedback to point of lowering my heart rate and blood pressure to super low levels. I am getting a full paycheck to do nothing now. I have alleviated all stress, and I continue to decline in health. My ANA levels are off the dial(something consistent for people with lupus, but I dont have lupus) I constantly sweat, feel like I have a flu that never left. High or low stress seems to make little difference. Also if stress were a major factor how come none of the anti anxiety meds people have tried has done zippo for them? If stress were a cause these drugs should have at least alleviated some of the symptoms, in fact they make mine worse. I am fully convinced this is total physical or viral.

[Jeffy14]

I am totally convinced my cause is viral. I had a perfect life, career, no illness trouble till I got a virus, literally overnight things changed. As I have stated before I can do biofeedback to point of lowering my heart rate and blood pressure to super low levels. I am getting a full paycheck to do nothing now. I have alleviated all stress, and I continue to decline in health. My ANA levels are off the dial(something consistent for people with lupus, but I dont have lupus) I constantly sweat, feel like I have a flu that never left. High or low stress seems to make little difference. Also if stress were a major factor how come none of the anti anxiety meds people have tried has done zippo for them? If stress were a cause these drugs should have at least alleviated some of the symptoms, in fact they make mine worse. I am fully convinced this is total physical or viral.

Stress can be the cause or trigger but once the arm is done your brain is messed up and you need to fix it.
It's like when you break your leg playing football. You can stop playing football so that it wont get worse but you still need to fix the leg with a cast and get time to heal it.
It think it's the same for CFS but it's something in the brain or central nervous system that is messed up.
When we say stress it's not just "stress" from work or anxiety. We mean putting the body under stress...
Pushing too far your body for too long, running on adrenaline (cortisol) for months and months (not from anxiety but from your lifestyle). Add to this bad eating habits, emotional stress (real stress that you talked about), bad sleeping etc... and you get CFS.
I have 2 hypothesis in your case and I may totally wrong:
- The virus that you got could be a stress trigger. Your body took such a tool and went under such state of alert and defense trying to cope with it that it provoked CFS.
- The other one is that there may actually be a virus linked to CFS. This virus could go unnoticed until something allows it to kick in and destroy you.

The reason I dont believe in a virus is that some people are able to heal on their own by slowly increasing activities, pacing etc... or other forms of treatments. If a virus is responsible for CFS then the fact that they can heal on their own by doing does not make any sens. I mean how did they get rid or this virus? just by pacing, meditating and eating organic? I dont believe in it.

[niaholt]

Jeffry,
This is precisely what I believe too. I have known people come to CFS via a Virus and get better. My friend in bed 13 yrs and suddenly in a year she recovered. The Mum in a wheelchair 11 yrs in New Zealand with 2 CFS kids....no diet change. Dare I say the Gupta Program. My friend has recovered thru the Methylation protocol. There are many others who used to be on this Gupta forum who then went over to the new Gupta Official forum, have since left because they got well. Gupta explains the virus theory somehow like this.

The original trauma often occurs in the presence of a severe virus/bacterial infection, it is no mystery that the body will retrigger immune defenses as a way of making sure the body survives, even if no viral threat exists. This can often feel like having flu or a slight fever, as well as swollen glands and a sore throat, and may be the effects of chemicals called cytokines.

I just wonder how the people make miraculous recoveries from very low points if there is supposed to be a virus involved...a retrovirus too which is supposed to remain for ever present.

[neil25]

I think recovery is very different to a cure. I know lots of people who have got better from cfs but it was usually after making serious life changes like diet, pacing, taking suppluments ect. There is no chance they could resort to their care free life like they had before.

Although i do believe that cfs is a purely physical diesease part of recovery is changing your attitude. I could potentially be in a wheelchair right now if i wasn't determined to push myself and get better. It's very easy to stay in bed with cfs because you feel like shit all the time but i have stay determined on a daily basis to do things.

I struggle with extreme fatigue, pain, dizziness, and digestion problems yet still get on with life.

At the end of the day there could still be a virus present in people just because they got better doesnt mean the virus has gone.

[CS1]

When the "accelerator" is launched I think you will see many people leave the gupta forum as they will recover totally!

[neil25]

I will hold you to that comment CS1. I wish people all the best with it but i really am not convinced its a cure theres just too many factors to consider with cfs and too many physical problems going on in the body. I would love to see people fully cured from cfs but people are still obviously ill if there posting on the forum they need to face up to the fact and stop holding out hope on gupta when it clearly doesnt fully alievate the problem in cfs. thats all.

[CS1]

Some advice - talk to people who have recovered 100 % - I do.
They have applied a few techniques and added some others stuff logically and organically...and are 100 %!
Have a look at the accelerator when it comes out - things will click


Take care and wishing u the best

[niaholt]

Just had a session with my coach re the Accelerator. It was amazing how fast it worked for me on issues beliefs....they resolved fast. Now I just have to remember it and keep it going till the DVD comes out.

[CS1]

Hi Nia

its meant to be very powerful stuff ! yes Im looking forward to the DVD's.


CS