I recovered

[dukey]

There's a difference between giving up, and following unproven, whimsical advice that will bankrupt you.

says the guy that spent thousands having root canals re-done .. lol......

So where's the science behind the Gupta therapy ? Any peer reviewed papers to read ? Anything except his unproven proposed hypothesis ? Gupta seems exactly like The Lightning Process, Mickel Therapy, Reverse therapy and all the rest. Emotions cause CFS. Brain retraining fixes it, but we will only tell you how to do it if you part with lots of your money. Yet amusingly they all come up with different parts of the brain that are effected. Mickel therapy picks on the hypothalamus and invents a term for a new disease, hypothalamitis. LOL The lighting process is actually setup like some pyramid selling scam. Quite scary really.

[Recovery Soon]

Here's what's truly scary...your complete and utter inability to grasp the concept of proportionality.

Gupta costs $190- 6 month money-back guarantee
Your wacky dental solutions cost $5,000 (conservatively)- no guarantee whatsoever

Hmmmm...if I want to throw my money away on an unproven scam, which scam do I choose?

Before you debate me on Gupta, don't bother. I'm not here to defend it. I'm here to prevent others from feeling the pressure of WASTING thousands of dollars on wacky dental procedures that have no link to CFS for 99.9999999999999% of people with CFS. (and I'm not sure I believe the .000000000000000001 exists)

People with this condition are VULNERABLE. Your advice WILL NOT HELP THEM. It will only give them pressure to waste precious resources.

The medical/scientific community does not support any of your claims.

Period.

BTW- I see you're obsessed with my root canals- They were redone because they were reinfected, and suggested by 3 REAL dentists. Not internet quacks.

Let me guess, should've yanked the teeth. Right, Dr. "Dukey"?

[cfs_since_1998]

I have 9 amalgams myself, and took the MELISA test. It is not a quack test, RedLabs is now doing it also (only it is called the HELP test). I was not allergic to anything they tested for, and can post the results if anyone is interested. I have contemplated whether or not to have my amalgams replaced, and I've decided to keep them for now. My logic is that a vast majority of the adult population have amalgams but CFS is a relatively rare disease. But it is still something lurking in my mind and I may investigate it more in the future. It was only a year after I had my first fillings that I began to have occasional orthostatic intolerance and another two years after that before I got CFS.

Recovery Soon, I think you are being way too hard on dukey. All he did was post his story, he is not forcing anyone to do the things that he did. I want to hear what people that recover have to say without them being attacked and insulted or censored.

[Recovery Soon]

Very sorry you feel that way.

Hope you're not trying to censor me now.

For the Melisa people to say that the majority of CFS patients who have their amalgams removed get better IS quackery.

I have seen people spend fortunes on bogus dental connections, and it needs to be exposed for what it is.

I will post as I feel necessary, in the manner I feel is necessary.

[dukey]

For the Melisa people to say that the majority of CFS patients who have their amalgams removed get better IS quackery.

Why is that quackery ? Both my parents saw a large increase in their health after the removal of their amalgams. My dad didn't have CFS but had other problems. His digestive problems have entirely gone now he is amalgam free. A mellisa test isn't needed for amalgams. It's a no brainer to have them removed. Inhaling the mercury vapour from your amalgams 24/7 is going to do long term damage to you. Especially since mercury is one of the most deadly poisons known to man.

This is mercury vapour actually being filmed coming off a tooth



video here if you want to see it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylnQ-T7oiA

This is from the World Health Organisation

In 1991, the World Health Organization confirmed that mercury contained in dental amalgam is the greatest source of mercury vapour in non-industrialized settings, exposing the concerned population to mercury levels significantly exceeding those set for food and for air.

The FDA which says these things are safe, they really couldn't care less about your health. The regulatory agencies are just totally asleep. This is also why drugs like Vioxx get approved. The damage from mercury is not easily undone though, because its extremely hard to remove from the body. Even if you remove your fillings it could take the rest of your life for it to come out. Chelation can help, but can also be dangerous. You risk just mobilising the mercury, and dumping it somewhere else in the body to cause damage in a new place.

[Recovery Soon]

Yes, Mercury is a dangerous substance and does not belong in your mouth.

Having the fillings taken out is probably a good idea for anyone.

But drawing a link between Mercury fillings and CFS is unfounded.

[static]

Thank you Recovery Soon for being a voice of reason. I wish dukey well and hope that his problems have been resolved, but I agree that his story is not likely to apply to other chronic fatigue sufferers, and that there are many unproven theories out there that we all have to consider very carefully.

[0514741]

Hey Dukey

Just wanted to say thanks for posting your info and your updates - I appreciate that there is some debate regarding the links between CFS and dentistry on this forum but I must applaud your honesty in your approach. As far as I'm aware you have not suggested that everyone one can be cured with dental surgery, merely made them aware of some of the factors which could cause CFS.

In all honesty after reading this forum I may look into what you have written so far - but if I do choose to have any surgery and it doesn't work, I won't be blaming you. You're making people aware of your story as you're thankfully getting better from something that is supposed to be untreatable.

Hope the latest surgery is your last and continue to make people aware of possible treatments. Even if it only works in 1% of cases surely it is better to be able to rule something out and to keep looking for an answer rather than do nothing at all.

Keep up the good work!!

[michaelb41]

I am 50 years old and was told by the doc i had CFS years ago. I have retired and I have been working out with a trainer completing 17 sessions. I laid in bed for days after each session. Then I happened upon D-ribose on the net. I immediately noticed I had more energy. I could do more pushups 32 with the trainer then 40 on my own after taking d-ribose and I do not wake up in the morning and go back to bed. I love this product. With exercise and diet it is the magic bullet for me. My mom has a heart condition and I immediately called her about it. Don't buy it at GNC. I paid $39.99 for 8 ounces powder. My wife tells me It is in my head. But I am not in the bed all day now.

[java]

I don't blame you for being angry, but remember that everyone's body chemistry is different. It's a frustrating process trying to find what's right for you. Especially sorting through the mountains of info and claims coming from every direction. But still, some people have found success with methods that may not be your answer. Sometimes it's hard to say why. Myself, I've spent time and money on things that probably didn't help much, I can't do much about it now. I do know that my anger and frustration was like poison to me and I had no choice but to let it go. It made me more sick. I guess that my belief now is that a physical and emotional healing both have to happen. But that's just me. It seems that nobody can tell anyone else what to do, but we can only share info and hope to find our own answers. I believe most people write in because they care and want to share their experiences in the hopes of helping. I'm not trying to lecture because believe me, I've had more than my share of anger towards all the things I found out there. But in the long run, all we can do is research as much as possible, and hope for the best. I sincerely hope you can find whatever is the best for you. Take care.

[java]

Just wanted to add..on the subject of amalgams: remember that very few dentists are qualified to do this properly - even if they claim otherwise. Each person must be tested to match up the best composite to use as a replacement filling to the individual's body chemistry, then the amalgam must be removed completely. Then the patient must detox the body properly. Most dentists have neither the knowledge nor the skill to do this. As with other doctors, most of them are poorly trained to deal with anything outside the realm of what is pushed by pharmaceutical magnates. It wasn't that long ago when that mainstream medicine believed that margarine was a good replacement for butter - but we now know that it is just one molecule away from being plastic. Anyway, whether or not amalgams directly affect cfs or fm, they do leach toxins into the body, and toxins do affect these conditions. If someone decides to spend the money to have this procedure done properly, then it probably is not a bad idea. However, there may still be other factors related to an illness that need to be addressed.
There isn't always one magic bullet.

[billoddie]

you both have valid points. in my experience gupta has helped more that ANYTHING. AT certain (non stressful times) i am 100% fine...but then stress comes and off we go again. So the amydala is still not entirely convinced to behave. I have 2 root canals in my front 2 teeth and at times (when my symptoms are present)the nerves all up the front of my face and into "my brain" ache to the bejeezuz. I might think about a scan...but yes it is just another "stone" my mind now wants to turn over. And this fact in itself reinforces what gupta says...