losing the will to live

[neil25]

thanks for the suggestion, i live in Scotland i don't know if there are any chronic fatigue centres over here. what clinic are you talking about? do you take d-ribose powder to help Mitochondrion?

[CS1]

The optimum health clinic - you may want to give them a call:

http://www.theoptimumhealthclinic.com/clinic/index.html

They use similar techniques as Gupta and have a nutritional side too..

Supplements didnt help me one bit mainly because my body was caught up in a viscious stress cycle. However i did improve my diet.

Once I start breaking this stress cycle down and work on my CORE issues and physical tension over the last 6 months - what im finding is that a few things appear to be helping me on the nutritional side. I think its important to note that I feel its important to become parasympathetic first. I continue to do the Gupta techniques work on my core issues, break down physical tension and engage my mind and now improving my dietary health




Regards
CS

[neil_l]

[quote="neil25"]Hi there, i was wondering do u live in scotland Neil l ? yeah i know what you mean but if i just do nothing im not going to get any better i need to try some sort of treatement people don't get better by doing nothing. this is the reason i go online to research more about cfs i wouldn't have got this far without looking at what works for people. If you work full time your health must be a lot better than mines, this is part of my severe depression that i can't go out and work i tried it for weeks but had to quit as my health was getting a lot worse.[/quote]

Close! I'm down in Newcastle.

I have had times when I can't work and my company have been very supportive. I have had months off in the past then come back part-time. It's only in the last 2 years that I have pushed myself up to full time.

I have always made big improvements when I've been back at work rather than lying at home feeling sorry for myself. I guess that sits well with the distraction part of Ashok's theory.

[Emergo]

Hé man,

I feel for you because I know how it feels when all hope seems lost. I do agree with others: go to a doctor and get something to take the edge off. In your current state, you can't make any sound decision.

To add to the advice above, I would like to suggest EFT. Especially because you mention that you have PHYSICAL pains and don't see any MENTAL/EMOTIONAL causes. Let me tell you; I've been depressed, in pain. I had physical ailments that nobody could explain and nothing I'd change in lyfestyle or swallow could help them go away.

Then I found EFT. And was amazed how many physical ailments can have emotional issues. I NEVER looked in this direction, but I now feel that this is my way to go. I hardly ever feel depressed anymore. And in the UK/ Scotland, there are plenty of good therapists!

So:

Take some immediate action through a doctor
Keep doing the ART to keep calm
Look into EFT

[JonathanSteeleRN]

Here is one more thing that will help with the thoughts.

It is called Z Tracking Eye Movement.

When we have thoughts that keep replaying in our mind, like they are on a mobius loop, the cause is that our brain is locked. Quite literally, our left brain is locked from our right brain.

The eyes have the key to unlock this.

All of us get thoughts locked into our brains that keep repeating over and over. We cannot get the thoughts to stop. Well, when you do this, you can get the thoughts to stop and allow your brain to solve the problem.

You can find it here http://www.speechmastery.com/stress-reducers.html

Scroll down on the page. It is named something different (there are several different names for it depending on which branch of health care promoting it).

Word of caution. Do it sitting down and alone the first time. It still gives me a bit of a buzz as it does many who I have taught.

I do this when ever facing stress, taking a test, problem solving or just cannot sleep.

It really works.

Oh yea, I found that the slower it is done the better it works.

[neil25]

im a little confused, where about can i buy this whey protien? and what type of protien is it? is this whey protien sutiable http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/ ... prodid=873

[neil_l]

Thanks for that link Jonathon.

I really need something to reduce stress before I play with my band. I look forward to trying it

[CS1]

[quote="JonathanSteeleRN"]Here is one more thing that will help with the thoughts.

It is called Z Tracking Eye Movement.

When we have thoughts that keep replaying in our mind, like they are on a mobius loop, the cause is that our brain is locked. Quite literally, our left brain is locked from our right brain.

The eyes have the key to unlock this.

All of us get thoughts locked into our brains that keep repeating over and over. We cannot get the thoughts to stop. Well, when you do this, you can get the thoughts to stop and allow your brain to solve the problem.

You can find it here http://www.speechmastery.com/stress-reducers.html

Scroll down on the page. It is named something different (there are several different names for it depending on which branch of health care promoting it).

Word of caution. Do it sitting down and alone the first time. It still gives me a bit of a buzz as it does many who I have taught.

I do this when ever facing stress, taking a test, problem solving or just cannot sleep.

It really works.

Oh yea, I found that the slower it is done the better it works.[/quote]



Thanks Jonathon reminds me of EMDR.

I think for alot of us here the core Therapy is guptas approach but I think there are other things out there to help people as an adjunct ie hypnotherpy, eft, emdrto help with deeper stuff.

For me I think the next stage will be to actually understand NLP, hypnotherapy etc...when Im ready to ensure I stay well!




Ragards
CS

[dukey]

You can start by getting rid of your amalgam fillings.

Even the mainstream media admits they are dangerous.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... ction.html

Play with it all you want, you have chronic low level mercury poisoning. Is it causing your CFS ? Hard to tell but it's definitely possible.

[CS1]

Do I think there are toxins involved - YES YES YES!!!

However first we need to become Parasympathetic before attempting to tackle toxins.

There are now Various ways of becoming Parasympathetic!




Regards
CS

[JonathanSteeleRN]

People are very passionate for and against the mercury fillings thing.

It may be a cause but there is no high level scientific studies to say it is alone, in concert, potentates, or may be related to CFS. Note I said high level studies.

It looks at both sides of the issue. The AMA has inaccurate info on their site when they say there are only a few known cases of mercury related health problems. If you go to Pub Med, as I did, within 15 minutes you will find several hundred people in several countries who are being treated for various mercury toxicities.

Next....you do not need to pay to find out how much the mercury is off gassing. Some charge $50 or more for this. This is flawed. The machine measures the mercury in a room or cubic meter. If you take the mercury in your mouth, a few cubic centimeters, it will be high. However, your gums are the second fastest way to get anything into your body via absorption. So, any mercury off gassing, no matter how small, is really bad.

Your not done yet. You cannot just have the mercury removed. You next have to find out if the dentist is skilled at composite fillings. There is an art to doing them.

Next...you need to have a test done to make sure your not allergic to any of the other materials that they will use. There are a few options. Some people are allergic to some of the options.

Your not done yet. This is one of the flaws with the na-sayers studies. Once you remove the mercury from your mouth, you need to remove it from your organs. This can take up to a year, maybe even more.

The fillings could set you back up to 4-5,000. Find a dentist that will do it with putting you asleep. Get it done in one day. The detoxifying could cost $150 to $225 or more a month for the next year.

I have not had it done yet but will as soon as I can.

You should know that it does not work wonders for everyone. However, the ones it has worked for that I have met will tell you that they have their life back.

[mrraba]

What made the most difference for symptoms for me was Imuplus. Other wheys NOT tolerated by me. Just Imuplus.

Of course try it for at least a couple of weeks. The longer I used the better it was. Underarm discomfort is normal as you immune system kicks in.

Find the amount you tolerate well. Have to play with this. May need to reduce amount if too much. It is important to start with little and slowly increase to find out what
is the best dose.

Also if you were doing well before and you changed your supps or what you were doing, I find useful to examine what new thing I do that maybe making me worse. Going back
to a previous state in my supps helps identify some supps that can be making things worse. Sometimes I feel wose because I stop something that was working well for a long time. Sometimes it is becuse I added something.

Above all DO NOT push yourself beyond what you can do. If you body says stop you stop. Rest periodically. I lay down for 15 min every two hours if I need to. Gupta programme is NOT about NOT listening to your body. If body says STOP and rest you do that. That is key to reducing my discomfort.

Also stopping wheat was a big help in symptoms. It gets better buddy, it does..