Gupta on xmrv

[Jj85]

Thought this was pretty interesting. I actually find it pretty persuasive.

http://planetthrive.com/2009/10/xmrv-re ... sal-model/

[Chronicfatiguetreatments]

i did read that they thought the XMRV virus had a cortisol recptor, and became more active when the person had high cortisol levels and was "stressed".
So thats one way the meditation and relaxation methods could help with xmrv

[Recovery Soon]

That certainly would explain the stress connection.

Here are the researchers explaining this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TQzlL0n ... feature=iv

[dukey]

lol ..
to wander off topic slightly. They mention that it might be because of this virus that people become autistic when they are vaccinated. Lol so they admit what most people know, vaccines cause autism. But it's not the virus, it's the neurotoxin MERCURY which is most vaccines, especially flu shots. To quote my favourite quote

Dr. David Ayoub, Assistant Prof. of Southern Illinois University School of Medicine and Medical Director of Prairie Collaborative, an immunization watchdog organization in Springfield says the mercury contained in one dose of the flu vaccine exceeds both the EPA's and CDC's adult toxicity limits for organic mercury exposure and could be considered a toxic waste. "For mercury level to be defined as toxic waste level is 200 parts per billion. What is contained in a mercury vaccine vial is 50,000 parts per billion, so if you were to drop a vaccine vial, you would have to call hazmat. I mean that's a toxic hazard and we are injecting toxic waste levels of mercury into people and that's unimaginable."

[Recovery Soon]

These are scientists, Dukey- who just accomplished a monumental scientific discovery, worthy of the world's attention.

Not speculative conspiracy theorists clinging to unproven anecdotal evidence in a web back alley.

And before you waste any keystrokes- we already know- mercury is bad.

LOL

[CS1]

"i did read that they thought the XMRV virus had a cortisol recptor, and became more active when the person had high cortisol levels and was "stressed".
So thats one way the meditation and relaxation methods could help with xmrv"


Im trying something which suggests that when you have brought your stress levels down and then add few things nutritionally it may benefit the immune system.






Regards
CS

[neil25]

the only thing which make me a little skeptical of the xmrv virus is that if it is the cause of cfs why are there people who fully recover from cfs. If they had the virus this would not be possible.

[Jj85]

well, id disagree only because of the nature of my onset and the onset of others like me. whatever is wrong with me, it is true that for the first couple years, my body was able to fight it off multiple times, so that i'd have whole 2 or 3 month stretches where i was completely healthy.

i basically think it's possible that xmrv is always in us, and when we're stressed out, our immune systems are weak and then we get sick. that is to say, i don't think we'll ever be cured, if it's xmrv. it's just a matter of getting to the point where your body can keep it at bay.

sidenote: i just realized today how important it is to keep your shoulders relaxed. i noticed that whenever im doing work or on the computer, my shoulders are tense. just changing that has made a big difference today.

[Recovery Soon]

I agree. Especially when you consider the Cortisol Receptor in XMVR. IT could be that mind/body treatments like Gupta help strengthen the immune system enough to manage symptoms...that's why many get positive results but so few get cured.

And you're right, we might never get cured, but if this is the cause, the drugs might be enough to minimize the symptoms, so that it is very close to being cured.

Check the following Q&A with Dr. Klimas regarding XMVR.

She states the following:

"I split my clinical time between the two illnesses, and I can tell you if I had to choose between the two illnesses (in 2009) I would rather have H.I.V. But C.F.S., which impacts a million people in the United States alone, has had a small fraction of the research dollars directed towards it."

And goes on to say that HIV patients are "Hale and Hearty" compared to CFS patients.

Here's the Q&A.

http://consults.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/ ... -syndrome/

[Emergo]

I believe that virusses and the like do not have to be active all of the time that they are in the body. I've battled a lot of virus/bacteria-like ailments (with succes!) in the last couple of years and some of them go away and some of them return. Maybe this has to do with hiding at deeper levels (like Lyme's disease that is known for hiding and re-appearing) or something like that.

Maybe what happens is, that our bodies get stronger by therapies such as ART, thereby reinforcing our immune system. As the body always tries to be in the best shape possible, maybe it only starts to fight this dorment virus when the immune system becomes stronger, therefore causing it's ailments again as if you were infected, but in fact battle parts of the old virus.

Or maybe I've seen to many episodes of The X-Files

[Recovery Soon]

Just had blood drawn in a 500 subject replicate XMRV/CFS study.

Not sure if they will inform me if I'm infected or not.

Results should be 6 months to a year.

[neil25]

thats great keep us updated.

[annie]

I think it is very important that the virus discovery will aid diagnosis of me /cfs. This has always been a real problem, some of the people who made full recoveries may not have had the same illness as others who do not. We do not really know if everyone on this site has the same illness. It seems the same as we fulfill various criteria, e.g the Canadian criteria, but it is not the same as a scientific proof of a known virus within us. Once a diagnostic tool is available, treatment protocols can follow on quickly. Let's hope it will also put many of the flaky curers firmly out if business, by flaky I mean those who claim to cure m.e /cfs with no real evidence or follow up studies.

[kenvj]

I don't think that necessarily follows Annie. If the virus is an opportunistic virus (as Gupta stated) which infects people who have CFS because that person has a lowered immune response you could, therefore, have a person with CFS who has not yet contracted the virus.

[Jj85]

Well, I suppose that if xmrv really is the cause of CFS, those with the virus will get a new name for their disease, and those who experience CFS symptoms but who test negative will still be thought of as having CFS (and if we find that anti-virals kill xmrv but don't stop the symptoms, then we're back to square one...).

It's possible that Gupta's hypothesis would apply to the latter group, but maybe not to the former, since if xmrv really is the cause, then no amount of relaxation will ever remove it from your body. Although, it's possible that Gupta will even work for those with the virus, if relaxation will keep it at bay... this is all very confusing.