about the stop technique (for those who got better)

[gu3vara]

Hi,

I'd like to know if you mostly did the entire stop technique to feel better or use the shorter version? I don't like doing the coaching part and feel a bit ridiculous and often skip this part. I feel it's more powerful when I skip this part, but still doing the process standing up

Thx!!

[damask-rose]

It feels completely naff at first doing that coaching part. But I think it is important, because what we're trying to do is get our intelligence and the rational part of our brain to override the irrational fears thrown up by the amygdala. The coach represents the rational part of our brain - or our intelligence, who can see things clearly without being fogged by the fear and anxiety - that's why, as far as I understand, it's an important part of the training process. The coach stands apart from all that and reminds us rationally what we are doing, and also encourages and motivates us. So, I think it is important to do that quite often. The coach can be stern when necessary, or kind and gentle when that's necessary and you can customize the words you say to suit the situation.

Maybe someone else will be able to shed more light on the subject?

[gu3vara]

Thx for your input, I understand why it's important..

I end up doing the coaching part in my head often, I also have very low energy at times and just do the stop movement and the rest in my head. I guess it's better than not doing it.. also, doing all the process standing up it is not a very convenient thing (especially on days I'm with my wife), I have to do it often and it's hard to motivate myself to get up each time

Damn, not an easy process for sure ...!

[damask-rose]

I'm with you there!

But I do it in my head a lot too - often sitting down, as can't be bothered to get up ten times a minute!

[ldg]

Yeah getting up and down all the time can be stressful and tiring so I do a lot sitting down. I may do some before bed or in the mornings quite a few rounds standing one after the other. Thinking first of negative thoughts/reactions. Do the full process while making dinner or walking from one room to another. At the bus stop, on the bus, in the shower, just not the stepping out, visualise instead, quietly out loud if no one is around. I get a little muddled when visualising the future self and then saying the right hand side with the left hand and vis versa.

I think the coaching is important as well. Coaching = training = retraining.

I also believe that it is helpful to BE positive and enthusiastic when coaching.

[CS1]

I would try and do what you can.

If you can only do the shortened version first thats fine.

Then when you have more energy as the adrenaline cycle starts to wind down its important to use the full process or as much as you can to drive things through.

it could take upto a year for significant changes to materialise and then another 6 months for things to normalise - so be realistic.


Regards
CS

[gu3vara]

Yeah I'm aware it can take a long time But what do I have to lose doing it, nothing (not even my time, which I have plenty left being at home).

In the mean time, I hope there will be significant advances with XMRV. AS many here, I think gupta has it half-right. Calming the nervous system probably let the body heal itself (partially for some, totally for some others), but there is still something wrong physically and perhaps a new treatment + gupta would speed the recovery much. If symptoms were less, I would worry less. That goes both way!

If we can attack it from all side that would be the best for sure, I've also started EMDR therapies recently and I see an energetic healer.

[neil25]

Yeah this is probably a good way of describing gupta, i beleive it helps keep the symptoms at bay and prevent them from getting worse. However there is still something physically wrong in the body which needs to be addressed.

[Emergo]

For me, the coaching part is the best part. It takes me even further than the visualisation. 'My' coach is enthusiastic and vibrant and rationally strong (instead of irrational fears of myself). I have more energy now, so I can really put some motivation in the coach TELLING my old self how to go about. During the visualisation, I often notice thoughts (fears?) like 'yeah, nice try, but that's never gonna happen' in the background... So I don't really SEE it.

I must say, that I'm really baffled by the amount of negative thoughts I come across. It really IS a pattern that I've learned myself. Even now I'm better, there's new stuff to worry about. However, I still believe very much in the programme and keep doing it as much as I can. I also believe others on this thread that some physical factors need to be addressed next to ARP. I did so and it helped. Now all there is to do for me is to keep on doing Gupta!