is gupta programme sucessfull in treating pain?

[june blume]

Hi
can anyone tell me if they have used this technique in relation to pain? and if it was sucessful?
Thanx

[wintersun]

Do you mean in relation to CFS-related pain? The Gupta programme treats all the symptoms of CFS in one go as it treats the root of the illness. I had a lot of pain with CFS, although some of it was because of inactivity. I had a physiotherapist helping me at the same time as doing the Gupta programme, and some of the pain for me was to do with extreme muscle deconditioning. But it did also completely cure all CFS-related pains as well. The Gupta programme is a treatment for all amygdala-related conditions, so can work on CFS, MCS, and anxiety, so it really depends on the cause of your pain I guess.

[june blume]

Hi thanks for the reply. No one has been able to diagnose the cause of my pain despite extensive testing. I have mainly nerve pain and very tight muscles. Physio has never done anything for me. I feel I may have had CFS (undiagnosed) for many years before this pain started due to the fatigue I suffered but I am unsure if this is the cause of my pain. I just stumbled upon this thread and wondered if it would have been of any help.

[wintersun]

Diagnosing CFS is tricky. You've probably looked into it, but here is an NHS website on diagnosing it http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Chronic-fa ... nosis.aspx

For me the most telling signs of CFS are the post-exertional malaise...ie. 24-48 hrs after exercising or 'doing too much' your muscles feel horrific and very painful. Do you still have fatigue/muscle weakness, as I'd say that is a major symptom of CFS? But I know everyone experiences CFS differently.

You could always email Ashok Gupta and ask if it is an appropriate treatment for you - info@harleystressclinic.com

He tends to take a few weeks to reply as if very busy.

The other thing I know of is Jon Kabat-Zinn's book Full Catastrophe Living...he uses a mindfulness based approach to pain and stress. He also does meditation CDs.

Hope you find some answers.

[june blume]

Hi thanx for ur help. i will email gupta and see what he thinks. xx

[runningchris]

Hi June,
I am new to this forum, but have been doing the Gupta programme since April 2010 & it has certainly helped my pain & fatigue in that I'm back at work and appear to others as though I'm functioning 'normally' though I'm not quite 100%. Initially I did not feel the Gupta programme was doing much for me, but as Ashok says stick with it an in time the body responds as the amygdala calms down. At one stage I did think about getting my money back, but I have now passed the DVDs on to friends with CFS & they are benefitting too.
As Wintersun mentioned Full Catastrophe Living - I also found that very helpful too and I recently did a mindfulness course locally which reinforces everything.
I am sure the Gupta programme will help you if you have pain & fatigue. The other things that have helped me are to practice Qigong (similar to Tai Chi) & yoga. I have also had craniosacral therapy which has been very beneficial, but not cheap.
Hope you find some of this helpful.
This is the Qigong DVD I used & I would say it has been a lifesaver for me.
http://www.mecures.co.uk/index.php?id=112&subid=24
All the best

[dannyboy]

Chris,
Hey its Danny from the Gupta forum, just want to ask you a question which I probably couldn't ask on the other forum, do you think the Qigong and Yoga has had more to do with you getting closer to 100% then the STOP process..

Danny

[runningchris]

Hey Danny,
I found this forum as I couldn't get onto the Gupta one. It does annoy me that we're not supposed to talk about other things there!
I would say for me Qigong has been the main thing getting me better, although I do think the Gupta programme is good. As I've progressed adding in yoga has been great too. I never really found I needed the STOP technique in a big way, but have found the soften & flow & alternate nostril breathing extremely helpful.
Hope you are continuing to progress.
All the best
Christine

[dannyboy]

Thanks for the reply Christine, yeah Im like you meditation has helped me tremendously as has mindfulness in everyday activities although I still do STOPs in my head when needed, Im doing the "Art of Living" yoga course in the new year and Im starting Qigong again.. Slowly getting there.. I actually prefer this forum not as much censorship..

Danny

[niaholt]

Hi Danny and Chris,
Good to see you on here. I used to post a lot on this forum but when we mentioned Gupta a certain person denounced it here and we moved over to the Official site as it caused too much angst for all of us who were trying to get well.. Yes I too feel the official Gupta forum is too restrictive and said it openly. We used to discuss great stuff on here but not anymore as many of the folk have moved on. I reckon I owe my life to Gupta but I now need more of something else. We used to be able to teach and encourge each other with so much great stuff on here....additional to the program.

I am going to a woman who a was referred to me as she helped cure this guys CFS. He has researched all the medical literature and written a book about CFS and came up with a near exact same conclusion as Gupta. He has the education to understand all the material. The therapist has done NLP and Time line therapy so far with me. She claims my illness was brought on by shock due to a car accident as 6 mths later I started with the pain. She is trying to get to my unconscious mind to release the trauma. Today we did hypnosis where I was told my body could heal and I could give it permission to. We will see....I dont expect miracles any longer but have nothing to lose. I am enjoying the experience.

[dannyboy]

Hi Nia,
Merry Xmas & happy new year, hey good luck with the new therapy you are starting, its sounds good stick with it you can get better, I feel Im slowly getting there and starting the AOL at the end of Jan hoping it can bring my depression and anxiety under control. I have also ordered a book based around something called Energetic NLP, the book title is "Recover Your Energy" by Olive Hickmott.. Here's the link http://www.amazon.co.uk/Recover-Your-En ... 496&sr=8-1
It looks like an interesting book, it uses a story to explain the techniques, apparently the subconscious remembers stories easier and will enable you to put the techniques into practice easily, I still think Gupta is spot on in his approach and theory Im just looking for different techniques to add in which are more effortless and effective for me to get the amygdala under control.. Im still doing my meditation and So Hum from time to time, have also recently downloaded Swami J's Yoga Nidra too, very relaxing, just got to find what works and stick with it..

Danny

[annie]

Hi, i can't get onto the Gupta forum at the moment, like others i find it very restrictive and not consistant with its banning things. However the programme is good but I do need more. I'm finding faster eft, Robert Smith's version helpful, but still nothing has really cracked the endless symptoms. I too had a car crash like Nia and have had a faster eft session letting it go. The problem is that having been ill for so long, i have so many emotional references about the illness it is like the many headed hydra! i think the faster eft is better at dealing with emotions than either the stops or the accelerator.
Is anyone else having trouble getting onto the gupta forum? Maybe i have been banned. It is nice to be back on here and feeling free to vent a bit!

[runningchris]

Hi Nia, Danny & Annie,
Good to meet you on here. Hope the hypnosis has some good effects Nia. I saw a hypnotherapist a while back & he seemed to help me move forward. That book looks really interesting Danny & has some good reviews, it's great to find new stuff. Annie I still can't get on the Gupta site either. I don't expect you've been banned unless you posted something really awful !
Ah well let's just encourage eachother with keeping on with what ever works for us. I'm off to do a bit of Qigong
Christine

[niaholt]

Hi All,
Happy New Year to all.
Annie: I too see the banning of discusssions inconsistent. They forget it is a closed forum so we are not going to sabatage ourselves. We all managed here on this forum before when somone was off track to pulll them into line lovingly. I dont like it when someone reaches out to a member to help them and they are reprimanded....its like a smack from the teacher with all the other kids watching. Have you looked at Thought Field Therapy.....I did it and nearly sent myself over the top....so relaxed after then into panic for 10 days straight....thats me. Just now game enough to try EFT again. I like Robert Smith. One of the Gupta coaches said you dont have to tap all points as my arm ached terribly. So I just hold collarbone points, smile, run colour thru the body. I found this to be very helpful and do it to music. Yes we are all having problems getting back onto the forum.

Danny: The book sounds great. The therapist said with Time Line therapy, you dont have to think of every event that has affected you. Get the biggies and the others unravel naturallly. You pick out the most dominant ones to work on and hopefully the others unravel. I did NLP on the car accident. The e-book you sent me the link for, I got a lot out of. I loved the meditation of re -claiming yourself and merging the ill you into a vision of the well you. She had a few more tips I am putting to use. I think she cured herelf thru Reverse therapy but built upon it like some of us are doing who are "stuck". You get so frustrated when you see others get well. I use Swami Js Nidra as the best meditation.....it is so relaxing.

Chris: I am so happy that you have recovered so quickly and hypnosis helped....gives me hope.

[annie]

Nia, one of the people who posts on the faster eft facebook site had a very bad experience with relaxation too, it just did not feel safe at a deep level and she reacted whenever she did it. I think she is improving now with sessions with Grace Jones...denali dragonfly. You may well know this as i know what a good researcher you are.
I'm interested in my spine, always have been since the beginning but various therapies haven't helped. As I said mine came on after a car accident too, there were a lot of emotional difficulties at that time as well, I have Labyrinthitis which a friend in the U.S tells me can be cured by a chiropractor. On we go, searching out ways to move forward.
I must say it feels very good to be able to write without censoring myself, seeing topics removed or having reprimands made me really angry. I hope they find a kinder way of dealing with things.
Happy /Happiest New Year to all.