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Postby Chronicfatiguetreatments » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:19 pm

i was pretty skeptical about the program, and waited to hear responses from patients before i put up this section of the forum. Alot of people say that it helps them.
Overactive stress response is definately a big factor in cfs.

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* i edited this thread, because it was pretty unfair to ashok. Alot of people have made significant progress on the program. I was skeptical like everyone else, but it really seems to be helping people, so i support it.
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Postby llelnino » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:40 pm

[quote="Chronicfatiguetreatments"]i was pretty skeptical about the program, and waited to hear responses from patients before i put up this section of the forum. Alot of people say that it helps them.
Overactive stress response is definately a big factor in cfs.

Is this what you looked at?
http://inspiredtocreate.gaia.com/

All i care is that he really had cfs and recovered from it. I dont have a problem with him being an entrepreneur. As long as his product help people[/quote]

Yes that is what I found along with several articles. I have no problem if someone believes in his program I just felt that people should know what other things that he is involved in so that people who have bought or are thinking of buying his program could judge for themselves. I'm just curious how do you know that he really had CFS? What about newer video updates on his "Recovered" patients? Maybe if he could invite some of his patients to come to this site and update us.
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Bashing Ashok

Postby efly » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:30 pm

Instead of bashing Ashok.... why not do your own research on the Amygdala the limbic system, the Sympathetic Nervous system and the immune system. It is based on science.... parts of the brain that they are only researching now. Then you can make your own judgement on the programme. He is offering money back after 6 months..... not many people do that. ! efly
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Postby Chronicfatiguetreatments » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:47 pm

Ashok reads this forum sometimes maybe he'll chime in.

Ive never personally used the system, but i can see how stress reduction might help CFS.

In martin palls paper
http://molecular.biosciences.wsu.edu/Fa ... ll_cfs.htm

he says that phychological stress can trigger nitric oxide and No/ONOO cycle disease

"Indeed the genetic evidence implicating corticosteroid-binding globulin gene (10,11) and the serotonin transporter gene (12) in determining susceptibility to CFS also provides support for a nitric oxide role in CFS initiation because both of these genes can act to determine cortisol function and cortisol is known to lower the induction of the inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS) and therefore partially determine levels of nitric oxide (8)."

This makes me think that meditation and techniques to control stress would help. Although ive never used it.
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Postby TheLegend » Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:48 pm

Because I always do plenty of research I was perfectly aware of Ashok's business interests. Personally I don't see any issues or conflicts of interest. He has at no point ever claimed to be Doctor, Professor or to hold any medical qualification. I mean his degree from Cambridge is in Economics.

Furthermore it's not like he's offering additonal weird psychic services channeling the dead or healing! *Cough. . .Phil Parker*

I may have missed something here but because he's created a CFS recovery programme is he then not allowed to run multiple (other) businesses if he should so wish?

The question of its efficacy is a different matter. As the programme has yet to undergo clinical trials everything said is purely anecdotal. The original basis, i.e. the written paper as published in 'Medical Hypothesis' is a theory and as yet clinically unproven. As stated by the publisher:

"The purpose of Medical Hypotheses is to publish interesting theoretical papers. The journal will consider radical, speculative and non-mainstream scientific ideas provided they are coherently expressed"

However if people are finding genuine benefits whether it be partial or a full recovery and are, importantly, happy then what's the big deal?

The science about amgydala and the limbic system is out there in print for all to discover. You can get LeDoux's book "The Emotional Brain" from Amazon if you so wish.

Ashok is effectively charging for the package the cost of one session with a CFS consultant, a reverse/mickel therapist etc etc. And one sixth of the Lightning Process. If it's not for an individual then at least they have the option of sending it back. I'd like to see someone try and do that with LP!

So anyway I wouldn't be so quick to judge Ashok. He may have an/the answer, he may not. It's all about putting your own recovery programme into effect of which you could include this. Investigate it and make your own decision.
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Postby Chronicfatiguetreatments » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:16 pm

[quote="TheLegend"]
However if people are finding genuine benefits whether it be partial or a full recovery and are, importantly, happy then what's the big deal?
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Thats pretty much what i think too. Ive gotten some bad advice from some people that were supposed to be really good doctors.

Now i just listen to what my body tells me. Ive found about 6-7 supplements that help me. Some Dr's ive been to have told me that dont need to take them. But if i don't, i feel 10x worse.

Also they really make sense when you look at martin palls theory. They all affect nitric oxide and the methylation cycle.
When i found them i had no idea what they did i just knew they helped.
But now the more i read about what they do in the body, the more it makes sense.

If you have cfs you are basically on your own. You cant just go to a local dr and get good treatment. you have to try alot of things and see what works and what doesnt.
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Re: About Ashok Gupta

Postby EmeraldDreams » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:03 pm

How on earth does the fact that Ashok has other business interests effect what he does at his Clinic ???? Are you questioning his honesty and integrity and validity because he has outside business interests??? I find this attitude absolutely mind blowing! Who cares what business opportunities he is involved in, god I wouldn't care if he was a pimp on weekends and had a criminal record - if he can offer me something that might even make a small amount of difference to my condition and my life, then god bless him and it would be worth every cent!

I have had CFS for 20 years now and have had it severely for 10 years - I have tried everything under the sun and nothing has made any difference to my condition or been of any benefit - and not one of the practitioners I have seen has offered a Money Back Guarantee on their treatments and services!! This surely says something about the man's validity and integrity!!

I have just received the AR Programme and am so excited about starting it - and from what I have seen and read so far, Ashok is absolutely authentic about what he is offering; as someone else posted above, his theory is totally based on science and extensive research and makes complete sense - and let me ask you this, why would someone who has a degree in economics completely change career course and spend years researching and training in and then practising in health related areas if he hadn't gone through some sort of life altering health crisis or experience - Ashok had CFS I have no doubt, who cares when he got it, how many years he had it for, how severe it was - is of no importance, wouldn't make any difference if he never had it! and as far as promising complete recovery - that makes no difference to me either, but I believe - if you are truly unwell and have lost your life and are desperate to live again, then any amount of improvement is amazing and fantastic - and with any treatment program you must of course go into it believing in a full recovery anyway, otherwise whats the point - as Ashok promises, if you are not happy with your amount of progress or have made no progress after 6 months, return the program and he will totally refund your money!!!!

Absolutely nothing to lose, why would anyone even question or doubt with this offer - with the situation I am in, I would try anything, and I mean anything! So to have come across this treatment program has been an absolute blessing and I hold great hope of regaining my life! So thanks and gratitude to Ashok and we'll see what transpires over the next 6 months.
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Re: About Ashok Gupta

Postby JR » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:08 pm

I find this somewhat baffling. What's wrong with being an entrepreneur and making money if you're offering a service that people want and benefit from? Most CFS doctors I know charge a boatload for their services, helpful or not. The Gupta Program is phenomenally inexpensive, for all of the information and training that you receive. Ashok is clearly a very gifted and intelligent person. It doesn't surprise me at all that he has multiple interests and streams of income. And, as to whether or not he really has had CFS...if he hasn't, he certainly has an uncanny grasp of all of the nuances of this condition. Not to mention concrete solutions that work.

I find it disturbing that there are people who seem so invested in this NOT being a true solution for people. Trying to persuade people who have actually found significant benefit that they should think twice is not in the least helpful or compassionate.

[quote="llelnino"]Ashok Gupta is nothing more than a entrepeneur trying to make money. Do some research on him this guy is running a Corporate Training Company and a Stress Management Clinic as well as a Speed Dating Service. What a joke this guy is. Or wait a minute is the joke really on all of us.[/quote]
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Re: About Ashok Gupta

Postby EmeraldDreams » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:18 pm

Well said JR - I guess negative people just like to spread negativity to everyone else!

Not everyone is open minded, empathetic and compassionate.
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Postby efly » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:17 pm

Well said... emerald and jr...
Its amazing how you have to persuade people to get better ???....
Good luck with it... stick with-it.... ITS amazing... I cant believe my transformation.... bedridden for the last 10 months... and mostly for the last 5 years.... now walking around the block, up all day , sleep !!!!!with NO meds........ Thankyou to Ashok , his diligence in finding a solution and putting in the research. The package is very professional and well put together..... a lot of stuff in there...a way out of the HELL..
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Postby *Emerald* » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:46 pm

Ashok is definately NOT out to make money.
I was sent the programme despite having financial difficulties
and being unable to pay. What on earth would be the point of
that if He wanted to con people ?

what would be the point in offering a money back guarantee to
those who purchase the programme?

This prog is the one thing in the 12 yrs of my illness that has
made a difference. My family tell me my positivity from using the
programme is giving them back some hope, that i may be well
in the future. They worry less about me, i no longer worry about
having to sleep away the rest of my life.

When i am fully recovered, and believe me, i will be - i will come
here and let you all know.

Its unbelievable that this character assassination is taking place
here on a forum Ashok comes on, to help others.
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Postby kenvj » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:24 pm

Totally agree with you Emerald. There are two people here who just want to character assasinate Ashok without any real evidence.
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Postby Ashok Gupta » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:25 am

Dear All,

Having read a few of the recent posts on the thread entitled "About Ashok Gupta", I thought it only fair that I should be able to answer peoples' concerns.

- "Entrepreneurship"!

I currently run a clinic based in Harley Street, where I treat people for ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia. At this clinic I also see people for other conditions including stress, where I use amygdala retraining for other things, but now most of my work is with ME/CFS & Fibro patients. I also run a training company which specialises in Stress Management and Time Management. So all of these things are very much linked, and in fact in my training I emphasise the role of the amygdala in a whole host of conditions.

With respect to the speed dating, it was always a side hobby in the evenings, never my main focus, and in fact it was just a bit of lighthearted fun. I had set it up with a friend of mine and we sold the business on to someone in December 2006. So I am no longer involved in it for 2 years now. I see nothing wrong with having varied interests - I'm actually really glad that I did it!

Now let me link these things together. Trying to earn a living just from seeing patients with ME/CFS over the last 8 years was never feasible, so I did look at other ways of supplementing my income. And it was the best thing that I did. Because the money that I earned from from other things actually funded the creation of the DVD programme, and there was no way I would have been able to release the DVD programme at this price, or even create it in the first place! I have never revealed this anywhere, but to create the 15 hours of interactive video, the book, the charts, the website, etc, cost me upwards of $60,000 US Dollars, and 2 years of my life. Ask any TV production company in the UK how much it would cost to produce that amount of content! In some ways it was a personal financial gamble, but I knew it would be of benefit to people, and I wanted as many people around the world to have access to the treatment.

So am I entrepreneurial - probably! Am I ashamed of that? No, not at all! I actually associate entrepreneurialism with creativity and being prepared to push the boundaries of our understandings.

Many people are rightly concerned that people are trying to make money out of patients with these illnesses, and there are probably people like that. However I don't place myself in that category. Until my programme is independently verified as an effective treatment for ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia, I am offering a money back guarantee to all buyers, which makes it low risk for most patients (I don't know many other treatments that offer this). Furthermore, the first 3 hours of the DVDs are available for free on the internet, so you can make up your own mind. I never claim it helps everyone, there are around 10% of patients who aren't helped, and I am doing further research to understand why that is.

With respect to a trial, this is my number one priority. There are more and more professors and hospitals interested in conducting a trial simply because their patients are getting better/recovered using the programme. I will have some news on this soon, I cannot at the moment mention who they are until we actually gain the funding.

- My Experience of ME/CFS

I can assure people that I definitely had the illness! As will lots of patients who go through the programme will testify, because they can relate so closely to what I think they are experiencing. I was diagnosed by a GP and by a hospital CFS unit in the UK, and went through all biomedical tests to eradicate other conditions.

I was never bed bound, however I had all the symptoms including some immunological symptoms such as sore throats, as well as the neurological ones including poor memory, difficulty concentrating, etc. I also had the aches and pains in the muscles, post- exertional malaise, etc...you name it, I had it!

In fact you can watch a video of me below talking about my personal experience:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_fXqok9sYt8

- People Recovering 100%

I have been so busy recently, I have not gathered together testimonials, but I shall make that a priority. There are many people who are getting fully better, and I addressed this in a previous thread entitled Few Full Recoveries. As I had mentioned in that post, different people take different times to recover, and it does take some time for the body to get back into full shape ready for intense exercise -sometimes up to a further year. Also the amygdala can still be sensitive once it has been retrained, so it can interpret natural tiredness as "ME/CFS" exhaustion, so it can sometimes kick into action again - so it has to be a gentle process. Graded exercise over a period of time can help. To help this end, for those of you who can, I would strongly suggest coaching at our clinic to iron out any final issues to get the body back to full 100% health - sometimes it does require that added personal touch, and I am considering making the phone coaching a core part of the programme.

So for those people who are posting in this forum and questioning my motives, I understand your concerns. However, please do understand that I have tried to navigate the tricky world of ME/CFS with integrity, and tried to help as many people as possible. If you have issues that you want to discuss with me, then simply address me directly and I will be happy to answer your questions - I will be as open as I can be.

There are many people who are battle hardened from having these illnesses, fighting with medical providers, insurance companies, doctors, etc, so I understand there is a lot of anger/resentment at anyone that says they can help. But please bear with me, the independent trial evidence will come soon.

Warm regards
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Postby niaholt » Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:07 am

I have complete faith in Ashoks programme and totally believe what he is saying about the Amygdala. I always become amused when people cry out "snake salesman" and yet will line up at a doctors surgery and take drugs that in many cases can kill you and in many cases dont work. I rang Ashoks office one night from here in Australia and surprisingly he picked up the phone and talked to me "free" for 35 mins giving me lots of help. All I had made for him was $200 for a set of DVDs....so cheap. Once he knew he had his money in the bag he could have gotten rid of me fast. No he just talked easily and caringly to me. That does not sound like some one out to take you down There will always be knockers on forums and I think they like to go around dropping their poison on as many forums as posssible. Well I am not drinking it. I am going to get better with Ashoks help!!!!!!!

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HI! a couple of months have passed...

Postby shelly » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:14 am

since the sceptic thread was opended... did anybody of this thread make some experiences with the ashok gupta proramme?
i would be very thankful for feedbacks..

i have been suffering painful cfs since 7 years already.. want to live again..

thanks shelly
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