Trying Gupta Programme No Change Yet

[daffodil]

Hello Everyone,

I am new here and thought I would introduce myself - I have had CFS for 4 years now (is it really that long?). I'm female & in my late thirties. I used to have a high powered job, got mononucleosis, then that was it basically, I never recovered.

I found the Gupta programme on the Internet & got so excited because Ashok says - this WILL work, which is pretty amazing.

My symptoms are really severe pains all over, that get so bad they just put me in bed & incapacitate me. That's the worst thing. I also have exhaustion & just an ill feeling like the flu, but all the time. Also headaches that come & go, and nausea. If I do too much one day, I then get set back. I feel I have slowly been improving simply though looking after myself & eating well, but it seems like I get set back very easily.

Anyway, I got the programme and having been faithfully doing it every day - but there is no difference to my symptoms. The only difference is I feel really happy (although I am generally an optimistic & happy person naturally anyway). My physical symptoms are not any different.

I have only been doing it though since the 1st of January.

Should I keep going with it and do the 6 months that Ashok recommends? It's pretty hard not to feel discouraged.

Thanks for any help

[kenvj]

I hope it does work for you - best of luck.

[daffodil]

Thank you kenvj, my first reply, that's nice!

I have just been reading around the forum & I'm really glad I found it. So much of what you people are saying resonates with me.

Especially - losing your identity. I have found this so hard, I lost everything - work, money, friends. I still have confidence & know my worth, I think it has made me stronger. But it is hard sometimes, because it seems like other people define you in terms of "what you do", it's hard not to give in to the pressure of that, and feel I am worth less now.

The other thing is that people are saying they hide the fact they have CFS too. I basically lied about it for 6 months (!), saying I was just a bit run down. Then, I told close family/friends only. And now, I still hide it - just like someone else on this forum said, I know that CFS is misconstrued in the media, and that I might be labelled a faker or weak ... It really is an incredible indignity. Once I had someone say, "Can't you just try a bit harder?" Makes me mad

[efly]

Hi Daffodil.
Id just like to encourage you to keep going with the programme.
I didnt really notice any change till the 8th month. I had been bedridden for 10 months,prior to Ashoks system.[severe pain,nausea vomiting ,mcs.etc.etc]
I have tried a lot of things ... but this was the only thing that has helped.
That was a year ago... Im now walking round 8 blocks every day....driving [which i havnt been able to do for at least 3 years]..for me Im a slow responder ..[.some people have a quicker response ].so dont let that put you off. It will take as long as it takes.
best of luck
efly

[JR]

Hi Daffodil, and welcome : )

I'd like to second what efly said. It really is so worth continuing with the programme. I'm in my late 30s too, and had been living a relatively productive life with about 50% of my pre-CFS energy, running a business, seeing clients,etc. Then I had a severe CFS "relapse", was bedbound for about 6 months, too weak to feed myself or get to the bathroom. The Gupta Programme completely turned it around for me. It was the first thing that helped at all. I'm not fully well yet, after over a year on the programme, but I'm SO much better and continuing to improve. And I'm not particularly good at doing all the facets of it, like others here do. I apply the basic concepts and then get on with my life. Which I CAN do now. So, give it time. Enjoy the happy feelings and don't even think about evaluating it's effectiveness for you until 6 months are up.

Good luck!

[daffodil]

effy and JR, thank you so very much, it's so nice to hear from people who are going through what I am. I have had no contact with any other people with CFS the whole time, ... I think because I'm determined to think like a healthy person, BE healthy, and joining a support group I thought wouldn't do anything to get me better ...

but just being on this forum, I have to say, what a RELIEF to finally talk to some people who really understand how awful CFS actually it, how it rips your life away. People who don't have it can be very kind, but they of course can never really get it until they live in your skin for a day. So thank you so much for taking the time to reply to me and for the support.

Effy that is great encouragement! I really thought that people might tell me to give up. But you have encouraged me, I will keep going with it. I originally intended to stick to it for 6 months, then get a refund if it hasn't worked (I couldn't really afford it in the first place ). So I will do it and stay happy. I enjoy doing it anyway, & I'm into NLP and meditation in any case.

Effy sorry you get vomiting - it's horrible, I had a lot of that at the start, an awful lot (first thing in the morning, great volumes of it ... urgh). I don't often hear people mentioning that, I hope you feel better soon because I know how rubbish that can be.

JR thank you for the welcome & encouragement! I would get to the point where I was getting a bit better, then just have a social event that was physically demanding, then bam, relapse badly for 6 weeks. That is brilliant you are getting better, & on the road to full recovery.

But JR like you say, I will just let it go and do it, and not be concerned whether it is working or not. I very much like the aspect of not thinking of symptoms - I was already doing this for at least 6 months before starting ... I had got to the point where illness bored me so much! I have so much pain, I just naturally decided - if I die, I die ... whatever happens, I'd prefer to be thinking about happier things! I'm lucky I don't get brain fog /brain tiredness any more, so I distract myself either with meditation or intellectual projects when I can.

I am lucky in that I haven't got depressed by the CFS, but I totally understand people who do. I have got angry as hell though, and sad, and emotional ... but it comes and goes, blows away like a storm, and I let less of those emotions now. Somehow CFS has shown me more of who I really am, and made me stronger. It's made me pity and want to help people who are sick when I can, that silent class of society we never see on TV or on the street, who are silently suffering and worrying and desperate, every day. I think when you well and working and busy and happy, its easy to just not realise how many people are in trouble.

thank you for listening ... what a relief to finally be able to talk!
X

[damask-rose]

Hello Daffodil! Greetings from one flower to another!

I agree with everyone else - definitely carry on and before long you will be blossoming. The fact that you're all ready feeling really happy is a good sign, as all those happy chemicals will already have started to change your brain chemistry. Like elfly, I didn't see much improvement for nearly a year, but after that it came in great bundles.

For me it's been a great help having this forum, and picking up so many hints and tips from everyone else, so I hope you'll stick around!

Best wishes,

Damask-rose

[trooper]

I'm glad to hear from people who have not seen real improvement until after the 6 month mark. I've been doing the program (not 100% I have to admit) for about 7 months and have seen modest improvement, but, on the other hand, I have been sick for nearly 20 years. There is a lot to overcome and I plan to give the program at least a year before making a decision on its effectiveness. I now feel that I have been given some great tools to deal with stress and for me that alone is worth the $200. Some of Ashok's testimonials indicate people are feeling remarkably better in a short time. So, again, hearing from people who have not had results until well past the 6 month mark is encouraging.

[shefin]

I was also greatly encouraged to hear that it took some of you longer than 6 months to improve signficantly. I am at about the 8th month mark with the Gupta program, I think and have improved but it just seems really slow! My cognitive deficits and the brain fog are the most difficult things for me and although I have felt things change slowly--no question--I still feel like my head is full of cottonballs most of the time. What keeps me going are the days (still fairly rare but becoming more frequent) where I feel that fatigue lifting off and I remember what it felt like to feel "normal." I'll keep going too! I have gotten my system to calm down significantly with the program but now I would like some of that enthusiasm and energy back too---as well as more cognitive improvements and much less fatigue! Will work on staying positive......