Getting to the ROOT cause of Anxiety

[CS1]

HI folks


Ive been on Gupta programme for around 6 months! I have had anxiety /'CFS for 20 years!!!

What Ive realised is that there are a couple of other things that will NIP CFS in the bud besides the GUPTA AR programme - namely:


1) Trainers recommended by Ashok that will help you over the phone to make sure ytou are doing the techniques correctly.

2) Coaching with Guptas coach for deeper emotional issue which are causing BLOCKS to your recovery and are the ROOT cause of your anxiety!



I believe that my own root cause was a childhood with a an overbearing father and an over protective mother!! Discover your own root cause.....it will be the light at the end of the tunnel you are looking for !





Regards
CS

[niaholt]

Hi Cs,
There has been deep debate whether child hood abuse has influenced us in developing CFS. I dont know the answer but I do know my Dr had 600 CFS patients, himself CFS too. He told me a large percentage had been abused. What a lot of people call abuse today, was just common child rearing in the old days. You just put any bad stuff behind you. I have been on the program longer than you and have had counselling too from Ashoks team and it has helped a lot. it is not so much anxiety but excitement....happiness I cannot control adn I have been told to model myself who goes around being quiet. This is not my personality. How can I today when I have just been told I am to be a grandmother when we had given up all hope...its a miracle baby.

I honestly believe like you something is holding me back. I have had a lot of trauma in my life for my personality type.....very sensitive. Although I go through my days not thinking about any of it, I believe it is in my subconsious, keeping the adrenaline going. I honestly go about my day with not many negtive thoughts. I certainly know when I have them.

Having read Prof Ledouxs work on the Amygdala and its role in PTSD, I am now convinced that Ashoks program is the right way to go. I believe also I may have PTSD also. However I have to find a way of unlocking my subscious mind. I have found a very good psychologist who does EMDR. This can bring soldiers out of PTSD. I am now awaiting an appointment. Plus I am employing other strategies like Kinesology.

[CS1]

Thanks for your response.

I do believe that "SUBCONCIOUS BLOCK / BLOCKS " needs to be addressed aswell as doing the gupta programme.

Infact when you have discovered your SUBCONCIOUS BLOCK / BLOCKS - i wonder if you could break these blcoks down incorporating them into the stop technique or a variation of it?




Regards
CS

[annie]

I do so agree about unconscious root causes, causing the blocks to getting well. I have actually thought this was the case for most of the many years I have been ill but, despite having therapy, counselling and much introspection I have not been able to find the trigger for all this. Maybe there are many triggers, I don't know. I know that, for me, abandonment figures largely, but cannot connect all my dips to this.
I was wondering whether to have a telephone session with one of the Gupta people, I would love one with him. An hour on the phone would be hard for me, but, if it makes my unconscious yield up the triggers it would be worth it.
I wonder if you have been down this route before, or is this new for you?
Oh, it would be wonderful to find the part of me that reacts so violently and say.......'STOP' x3!

[niaholt]

Hi
I had coaching with one of Ashoks team for 30 mins. She told me her background was hypnotherapy. She had had CFS 8 yrs before and got 80% better on the Lightning Process but said Ashoks program was much better. To complete her recovery she went and did some form of psychological therapy that unblocked some issues for her and she fully recovered 100%.
I dont know if their team can unblock issues...maybe it is for the Psychologist to find that channel. It is talking therapy and I dont know how that can free us if we have been down that route before. One would think with all the Meditations Stops we could re- channel our subconscious., reorganise our brain thru building new neural pathways. Maybe the RIGHT therapist might be able to bring them to the fore and then we could do Stops on them....we just have to uncover them. Ashok did say not to do Stops by conjuring up negative thoughts. I asked a forum member who got well how she did it and she did conjure up thoughts for Stops as she never got many negative thoughts.
I am now wondering if we should think about our past and the trauma that came out of an event and reeallllly think deeply and do Stops on the thoughts about it.

[annie]

Maybe I will try that, bringing up past traumas and saying stop to them, then replacing them with a good thought. Sometimes it is hard to think of a good thought with brain fog and general weariness. Hard to connect on a truly somatic level, I'm sure to really change it that is important, so the molecules of our bodies are humming with the positive. I go through the motions but I'm sure that all too often it is just in my head. I did L.P previously, so try and really bring in all my senses as they really stress.
Certain times of day are always a challenge for me, whatever the circumstances, the symptoms get worse in the early evening. I do soften and flow after stop x3 but, so far have made no inroads into changing this pattern. I wonder if anyone else has a similar stuck pattern.
Listened to the last session today, or part of it, again. Remaining in the present moment, though I realise the sense and value of this, is very hard when my body is hurting, or I just feel plain awful. at these times I want to try and distract myself in anyway possible. I can hear myself saying,'I feel so ill, or 'it hurts so much'. Stopping this seems to make no difference.
Sorry if all this seems muddled, to think, I used to be able to write quite coherently, many moons ago!!

[niaholt]

Annie,
I think we are walking a parallel path. It is sooo incredibly difficult when you have horrendous symptoms to go about the day pretending they are not there. But you have to just do your best...that is the key. I find S&F the only way out of this and the meditation and some days do it for 3 hrs. I too dont get much difference from STOP.....it helps with mad thoughts. What I got from Ashoks counselling team was...just keep doing it. Some of us are just late bloomers especially if it is entrenched in us for a long period of time.

I remember hearing John ? from Reverse Therapy talking about his "cure" for CFS on a radio program. He said every cell in our body had memory, altho no brain, it still had a memory. Getting healing into that cellular memory is a key...but how. Keep plugging on.

[CS1]

Ive had an hour session - this was abetter option for me

I need more work done with my subconcious BLOCKS - to be truely well I need to go a little deeper i know it!



Regards
CS

[CS1]

I really think we need to get more input from Ashok on this area -its probably whats stopping people from recovering totally.



Regards
CS

[CS1]

I wonder if this is where EFT fits in the equation of CFSand deeper emotional issues. I know Alex Howard from the Optimum health clinic uses EFT alongside his STOP technique.

For the intial reduction of Anxiety - AR programme and talk therapy

EFT to complement the AR programme once anxiety has reduced and delve into deeper issues to speed recovery!



Regards
CS

[annie]

Hi again,
I do use EFT, and one can get a regular e-mail post from Gary Craig (can't do link, but Google will provide). I have never had the miraculous results promised but it is something to do when feeling pretty desperate and STOP, soften and flow etc aren't helping.
It would be wonderful to have some input from Ashok about digging out these blocks. There are various other NLP techniques but most of them don't seem to apply to those of us who are ill, they are more about succeeding in the workplace. More pushy which, for me at least, are not a good idea.
Interesting thread. Thank you both.

[fox]

Hello CS1,
you have been doing the AR for 6 months now.
Where were you when you started, and where are you now?
(For expample, I was at about 10% of my All-time-high healthwise, and after one month of AR (with focus on the correction of my breath patterns), I am still at about 10%)

[CS1]

Yes i think the BLocks/ block are important. What I have found is :

keep continung the processs ie STOP process and the meditations, visualisations, soften and flow and then Once you start working on these blocks - youll find things gradually slow down and at this point Ive realised I have to work on my thought processes as they are totally "messed up" which is starting to help making the whole process easier!

So this is what i will continue to do:

1)Stop process & meditations, visualisations, soften and flow
2)Work on my subconcious blocks
3)Visualisations - being in the moment and the looking to the future
4)Work on my thought processes - look into CBT and NLP perhaps
5)Distractions and really living in the moment with a goal in the future



Regards
CS

[CS1]

[quote="fox"]Hello CS1,
you have been doing the AR for 6 months now.
Where were you when you started, and where are you now?
(For expample, I was at about 10% of my All-time-high healthwise, and after one month of AR (with focus on the correction of my breath patterns), I am still at about 10%)[/quote]


Hi Fox

I really wouldnt give up - perhaps you need to work on your your blocks and thoguht process in parellel with the AR programme. Id speak to Ashok to see what he thinks. The key for me seems to be to combine alot of these things!


Regards
CS

[niaholt]

Hi CS,
How can you work on SUB CONCSIOUS BLOCKS if you dont know what they are. I have been diligent with the
visualisations, S&F and Meditation, retrained my breathing, taped Louise Hay affirmations, walked daily by the sea when I could, avoided all stress changed my diet. I think the best thing to happen was the kineseology. It might sound weird but I have energy for the first time in many years. He said you will notice a diffference next week and I thought "oh yer..thats what they all say" They work on the brain and get the cells to communicate.....called Neurolink or Bodytalk. I believe my body is trying to do this with GUPTA so this kick a long was the key. However I stil cant cope with happiness or or any stress.