lightning process

[damask-rose]

Well dear me, Annie, that is quite shocking. As if you weren't feeling bad enough already!

This is what I don't like about them - it's like a cult, and they have such belief in it that if it doesn't work for you, it must be your fault. Anyway, I had to put the LP firmly behind me before I started getting better, because I was wasting so much energy wondering why it hadn't worked for me and feeling resentful and angry at the way they had mistreated me.

They make it all sound so mystical. When I told my trainer that I felt very tired after a walk, she told me it was because I was [i]expecting [/i]to feel tired. And that was rubbish, because I would always start off on a walk feeling that today I had loads of energy and would just enjoy myself. Anyway, I'm not going off on another rant, because as I said, better to forget about it.

[Recovery Soon]

I am on Gupta, and have no idea really what the Lightning Process is all about.

Can someone please explain the differences for me?

Thanks.

[damask-rose]

Well, the LP is essentially an NLP STOP technique similar to Ashok's. But they teach it to you over three days of 2 hour sessions, after which you are supposed to have cracked the 'unhelpful' thought processes that made you and kept you ill. It's called the Lightning Process because it's supposed to happen that quickly.

In the first session they teach you a bit about how the brain works, for eg. 'filtering', whereby we place a filter on sensory input, interpreting things in various ways. For eg. sometimes you might learn a new word, and suddenly you see that word popping up everywhere. So, we may be filtering for how tired we are, how little energy we have, how unsafe we feel, etc. And we can learn to filter for the opposite. And they show you common ways in which people with ME tend to think, and what sort of personality types we tend to be.

Also, the analogy of the rubber duck is made - if you have a rubber duck in the bath (!) and you push it under the water - it takes effort to keep it there. But however long you keep it under the water, whenever you let go, it'll bounce back up to the top of the water and remain bouyant there. So with us, we've been keeping ourselves 'under' by so much negative thinking, and when we let go over that, we'll bounce back again.

These things are all sound and make good sense. But the difficulty for many people, I think, is that it doesn't happen that quickly. It's difficult to learn it all in three days, and easy to forget parts of it, when you are weak and tired and brainfoggy. And then, in my case, I was built up to have such high expectations that I would be better after the three days, and be able to lead a normal life, that when it didn't happen, it caused a lot of bewilderment and disappointment, which made me feel worse again.

Also, you're told to use language differently and tell yourself that you're 'doing' ME or 'doing' anxiety, tiredness, etc. This would have been fine if I'd clearly understood how I was 'doing' it, and how to stop it, but for me this was just awful, as I felt all the guilt of being responsible for it, without understanding how to stop doing it.

You're not allowed to explain things to your trainer, because you're not allowed to mention how difficult you're finding it, or how bad you feel - as those are negative thoughts which must not be dwelled on. So, if you're having difficulties, you can't get the help you need, as you can't explain what the difficulty is.

You're always being given examples of people who were bedridden and after a day of the LP went and ran a marathon (exaggeration!) so that when, in spite of using the Process, it doesn't happen for you, you begin to feel like a real failure!

So, although I think they really have hit on a good solution for recovering from ME, I don't think they present it in a helpful way. It works very quickly for some people, and based on that, they seem to think it can do so for everyone. If it doesn't, you're made to feel it's your fault, and have to pay lots more money to get extra coaching.

So - that's my brief explanation of LP!

[annie]

That is so well put Damask, I couldn't remember all that, it is all a bit of a blur to me. I don't think I made myself very popular when, in the follow up sessions, I critiscised the 3 day policy, I didn't toe the party line!

[Recovery Soon]

Thanks for that explanation.

Sounds like a lot of pressure.

If they're smart they will put it on DVD. Who will pay that much for live sessions when they can get Gupta for $190?

[efly]

From what I can gather they dont seem to be taking in the differences between peoples physiology...ie..Some may have a greater Mercury load,viral load etc....The Immune system and the detox systems have to heal enough to be able to rectify these unbalances.....so some are slower. Ashoks understanding comes from having the disease....and also his theory takes into account this abnormal physiology....
Just my thoughts
Efly

[niaholt]

Efly,
I am so glad you pointed out these points about our different physiology coming into thhe equation. Some of us "do " CFS/FM very severely. I think that is why some get better sooner....less mercury load. toxins, no blocked methylataion pathways. I notice Ailenor and CSI work and are improving. They do not get the time to do the techniques as much as us others yet they are improving so maybe there load was not as great us some of us.

I have obeyed the rules yet I dont get the same turn around. Maybe some of us have more entrenched thoughts in our head than others and it will take time to over ride them. Charles Linden says we have to change those negative attitudes that have built neural pathways in the brain before we get released from stress. Many of us could have a zillion more than others so it would make sense we have to work harder. Coming from a very strict religous judgemental background, I wonder how much negative debris is clogging up my subsconscious. Some of us have bigger mountains to cross. I am so grateful for you coming out this week as it has helped some of us get back in saddle.

[CS1]

Ive added a few things recently to speed things up:

unblocking chakras whilst meditating :

1)aromatherapy
2)flower essences
3)connecting with spirituality
4)working on my core issues
5)massage
6)music
7)observing nature and colours and sounds
distractions - watch the news every day



immune system:

1) add coriander to meals and eating a more protein ( reduced carbs ) - helps with mercury
2) coconut oil , garlic, yogurts & fibre - flushes out bacteria
3) fatty acids - fish, sunflower oils, butter


Regards
CS

[damask-rose]

Regarding the mercury thing - Ashok addressed that at his seminar and I think his drift was that we have higher levels of mercury in our systems only because we are not detoxifying properly - as our parasympathetic system is not working. He doesn't think the high levels of toxins are there for any other reason.

[dukey]

If you took the mercury from 1 amalgam filling and dropped it in a lake, that lake would have to be quarantined forever for environmental reasons. I am sure people having a whole mouth full of amalgam fillings that are known to slowly leak out mercury has nothing to do with CFS ............ lol

[damask-rose]

But then almost everyone would have ME wouldn't they?

[dukey]

Chronic fatigue syndrome and Multiple sclerosis. Hypersensitivity to heavy metals has been shown to be a significant factor in CFS and MS. In studies, 70-80% of patients who tested MELISA®-positive to metals improved after removing the offending metal.

The MELISA® Medica Foundation has conducted extensive search on CFS patients. A study involving 930 fatigued patients saw more than half (62 percent) test positive for metal allergy. The majority of those who went on to remove the offending metal reported substantial health improvements.

Some people can not rid mercury from their bodies. It normally happens in males (genetics). Exposure for these people is a disaster.

[annie]

I know four me / cfs people who have had all their mercury fillings removed by dentists specialising in the procedure, with follow up checks and de-tox treatments. None of the four have found any relief in their symptoms, despite a wholehearted belief in the procedure. They all spent a great deal of money, and energy and suffered great disappointment.

[niaholt]

I too have known people who detoxed from mercury and were no better. You have to search for the right person. However my Doc with our illness has sent me to a classical homeopath who does out of the ordinary stuff to detox and says she is the only one who can get it out despite others here making claims and charging big bucks. I have been on the program a year so now I think I need a bit more help to help rid toxin overload.

I stood and watched others get 60% better from mercury detox and refused to believe it. Now they are having lives and I am not. I totally believe Ashok saying our Parasympathetic system is blocked and we cant detox. I dont believe for one minute mercury is the CAUSE of our illness but it is definitely holding us back. Dr. DeMerlier, a CFS researcher from Belgium, just recently made the claim we have too much mercury, nickel and paladium. If Mercury was the total cause, those with amalgum fillings would be ill too.

I dont think this forum is the place to discuss this topic as there is heaps on the net about it. Here is something I got sent this morning by Dr Klinghardt (father of Nerual therapy).http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/images ... 5b56bc6d7a

I dont know if many of you know the story about a CFS guy in the US who nearly died a few months back, dementia, collapsed lungs.etc he was taken to a Doc in Arizona who did Neural Therapy and he is a new person....injected daily with homeopathics at key points in the body, killing viruses, mercury detox etc....Doc claimed the problem was sourcing from the Amygdala!!!!! Neural Therapy is usually done with anaesethics. Now there are experiments going on with other patients.

This is one method of attack, but it all gets back to a malfunctioning Amygdala that is causing a breakdown in the bodys detox system. Recently I tried the best form of Glutathionine and thought I would die, clogged up drain pipe with nowhere to dump its toxins. So some of us have bigger toxin loads to carry I believe and need some caustic soda to get our drain pipes going again.....that may mean lots of meditation, and everythig totally calming... plus a little mercury detox on the side. Still believe Ashoks program is the key to the whole issue.

By the way my homeopath says viruses cannot live in the body without mercury.....when they make vaccines they culture them in mercury. Now days they say they dont but she claims they still do and call it another chemical name. Remember when mercury was put into vaccinations....many mothers claimed their babies developed autism and a range of other illnessnes but that is another isssue fora different forum.

[annie]

Nia, I have a friend who is borderline me /cfs. Last year he did a 5 month course of suppositories (i know!!) 5 days on 2 days off to chelate the heavy metals in his body and flush them out. He was pleased with the result and didn't seem to have any side effects. I haven't had the courage to try the same protocol myself, I am far iller and concerned whether my liver etc could tolerate this sort of thing. So many things have proved too much for my system. I wonder if anyone else has considered this, I do know that heavy metals have to be chelated before they can leave the body. I can't remember the name of the system but could easily get it if anyone is interested.
Good luck with the homeopath, I hope you start to find it helpful soon.
Yes, more and more it seems to confirm that the amygdala is the controller in all this.